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We write with since i by Diana Caloianu ATITUDINE ◠excess of zeal to beat the logic and grammar changed În 1993 we woke up with new rules of the Academy Romanian: "Today we write to and from the", we were spus.Şi we complied. Even more, I am not, neither they are not, or they are not. All are! Because it will be academics. Even if linguists of the Academy had decided change. We oppose! La 14 years of change imposed by the Romanian Academy, National Journal decided to return to writing with him and I in the present indicative form of the verb "be", "am", the people I singular and III plural. Our approach is supported by the language and logic, against the rules outliers leading to and from the writing and "shall". Among the last wish expressed by George Pruteanu was to restore the old rules. Better late than never soldiers' language. Although the Academy has become the rule, not all have complied. Present indicative forms of verbs in Romanian Fri all of today's Latin conjunctival thus form "are" not justified. "I am" in Romanian comes from the Latin "are" the disorders, not "are" the indicative. How about the words we write and from which would be the "Bolshevik" by and from them, we can remind those who support the theory that only a few were formed by closing the vowel "a" to "I". We have many words from Slavic, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Greek and even Latin and containing I due, not in a. One of the combatants Q's is still Vulpescu Romulus, who was careful to remind us in numerous occasions that we are obliged to obey a rule outliers. "Spelling Reform in March 1993 (entered into force in January 1994), proposed in 1992 an ActionAlthough presented as "law", the decision is only a recommendation, the contents of which may be taken or not into account: consequently, its observance is not mandatory, "wrote man of culture" liminary note "of his book the" rhymes " "Vechituri & Novita, republished last year." With a band Philology (Romanian language and literature: the license acquired in 1995, the University of Bucharest), support this reform and I write today with "Q", as I did from 1953 onwards, admission, just like most professional linguists, writing with "a" just in case of the proper name "Romania" (with the whole family of words), he argues protest Romulus Vulpescu the same writing. VINOVĂŢIE. poet it condemns all those who made it possible to change the rule, either through abstention. "I am extremely pleased that for the first time in my life and one of my approachNo serious linguist not yield to this ... I do not know what to call it! It's stupid! If it's all innocent and abstention. For an unknown is not important. It's a tragedy what happened. The editorial was turned upside down, as well as education. Change had repercussions that you expect not, "said Romulus Vulpescu. It all started when a kind of excessive zeal of those who wanted at all costs to justify a change in language and level crossing in a new stage of Romanian culture. But as the law of gravity can not be altered whenever the invert a political system, changing rules of grammar is as aberrant if based on this reasoning. "How would we decide to change in November rules of mathematics? Bridges and buildings would fall upon us. But when it comes to language, all can give the opinion. In this country everybody knowsIt has been said many times about us, Romanians, that exaggeration for the sake of exaggeration. That we are "more Catholic than the Pope" and try at any price to get out the records in what we do. Testament. George Pruteanu wanted to write with "I" and "are" ISTORIA "SUPRACORECTITUDINII. If you approach all exaggerations Transylvanian School and scholars have since been justified by the need to conquer the national integrity, the change made in December '89 after a Romanian Academy has no basis. But history is at least strange. Almost a joke: "The rules spelling of '65, who were accused of" Bolshevik "spelling - which is a tîmpenie! - Standardize the use of I, with one exception - Romania, the family of words. And the rules of ' 93 require hundreds of exceptions, increasing the number of exemptions from the rules recommended by the Academy itself. Any man of good faithCultured man recalled that the idea of Latinity have to show that any price is a fake. "Well" ravine "comes from Latin, of" Ripa ", as" river ", the" rivus. "Let that" fountain "comes from" Fontana ", with" a "closed. And the French wanted to do crazy, but finally beat logic. Our phonetic spelling. It may seem strange that in a country where starving - literally! - a problem we struggle to write, but we can not and leave the some to fool the Romanian language as will "comments Romulus Vulpescu excess zeal of academics who have changed the grammar. Sursa: http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/121659/noi-scriem- -i-of-i de can also read here: http ://www.ziaruldeiasi.ro/reviews/the-what-I-write-with-the-i is a topic dedicated to the Romanian language, I will delete any aberration, and any post by k and sh ..
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2009, 11:42:15 AM » |
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Romanian Academy imposed return to writing with "A" and "are" as practiced before the communist period. I do not think that in all catastrophic measures imposed by the communist regime, writing with "I" have been ordered by a real interest in the beauty of the Romanian language, as a result of objective studies, but rather indications of party leaders and trained in Moscow (that or have been trained of them).
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2009, 12:01:44 PM » |
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meth, talking nonsense.
cind was made that change by the Romanian Academy in 1953, was one of the best changes in one language and it was decided to move to greoaie. s rule " a phoneme, a graphic ". the only thing that was kept was " Romanian " and the words derived avindu it as a base it. linguists important, like for example Eugenio CoÅŸeriu, are of the opinion that this form is an aberration and the language and the proposed form of " Rumanian ".
in Romanian language some words that came from Latin, have Transformation suffered, leading to several types of "I".
" field " resulting from " campus ", in other words must be "A" "[ I] wind [/i] ", which came from" VENTUS [/I ]"/"[ I] vento ", (not even remember the Latin form), so normally should have be an "E" ... and so were some departe. in all 5 forms of "I" - u, ô, î, a, e - (I do not remember all examples) to be written differently. so the academy said that the same sound to use the same litera.
in 1993, the academy in an excess of zeal, has made changes to modify in 1953, currently reaching into the world to write "Santa" instead of "are "or even" be ". and more complicated work and writing at the beginning and end of words or the words to form compound "i" and the word inside the form "A".
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2009, 12:10:46 PM » |
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2009, 12:20:18 PM » |
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that stupid:) numai pig could open a thread of it: -??
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Methos
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2009, 12:22:42 PM » |
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I see exactly where I talk nonsense, all I said is that before writing to and from communist to and I trust that the decisions taken by the communist system. The first part is a verifiable fact and the second is a personal opinion. Besides, if everything has been decided to write each sound in a single sign, that sign can be very good and from the and not the spelling of a language I. But anyway I'm not working under a public ; if linguists who claim to write since i think are right, then to persuade the Romanian Academy to change those rules. Si, zIT, be nice from now when the May post any article, write and what should we understand the world in that article, so you can close your Thread faster.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2009, 12:32:49 PM » |
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meth, do you know who is part of the Romanian Academy? and no, I mean those who are communist or not. I'm talking about areas where they belong and how to vote in 1993. yes, also voted schimari.romanian Academy totally ignored what they said linvistii, even as some are those of intitutul "Philippide" from Iasi, who were quite violent. So yes, I give them credit and not those of the communists in 1993. not what the communists did was rau.
deci yes, talking nonsense. nonsense increasingly mari.
limba in Latin, which he used to explain a certain Latin Roman people, had no point I nor A , but taking - a sense, because I was more frequent in writing words, it made sense to move away from A , who before 1953 was used only in words derived anyway [I ] Romanian [/i].
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2009, 01:22:36 PM » |
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Well, we understand: from 1904 until 1953, wrote with "inside the words and I of them. And this thing was not available for all of the words "only in words derived from Romanian". spelling simplification seems Pentru a good idea to adopt a single sign to write the sound in question, the problem is that you are using it, automatically we will have two signs for the sound that will still exist except for the words from the Roman family. Seems more logical to take the sign, in which case we really have one single sign for each sound.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2009, 01:36:10 PM » |
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already Cocalarii and pitipoancele write with "everywhere  Daca ântelegeţi what I mean 
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2009, 01:38:53 PM » |
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pitipoancele already Cocalarii and write with "everywhere Daca ântelegeţi what I mean absolutely right ai all write" ami "(AMI)  )=))
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v1peritza
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2009, 02:06:55 PM » |
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"so" thousand seems a stupid. I learned to write with "and are not a way I could dishabituate that they want. dacă not able to decide to ask someone else, maybe in raising Săracu Pruteanu, to explain it again. oricum, or I write with "I think no one MIZIL addition/no/more-than-the-perfect, and what other changes have made them. jur not know how to write correctly (though I understand that nevertheless supports both), but to write "no problem" will not happen ever, because I find most dobitocenie possible. no matter how they learned!
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2009, 03:05:33 PM » |
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It's not a beast, is a compound word which meets in other Romance languages (see Spanish: ninguno, ninguna), just do not feel useful introduction to the language of these form compound in place of the old forms, is something forced, unnatural, not a thing you ask about I and limba.
Cat, and I was accustomed to the current rules, but I agree with the view expressed by the late George Pruteanu, in fact I saw that there are numerous publications that do not respect the decision of the Academy continue to write novels and I to I.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2009, 03:15:00 PM » |
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Well, maybe in their language it is written, together, as it requires spelling, language, expression, etc.. dar new limit overcomes common sense, and those who say no than it's fair or not seems a ... with all sorts, to express myself "plastic"
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2009, 03:23:25 PM » |
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give 'them or know how to spell? who are linguists? a group of people who occasionally set some rules based on majority, which, if any current semianalfabeti or comes out of this "modern" and cool, and will influence the ceilalti.
daca I want to use the of the and are that it Mrs. teacher told me, so I use one.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2009, 03:46:48 PM » |
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liwiu_evo, that I try and say .. as many faculty, masks and PhDs would be, I can not for an entire country, and can not change the spelling and grammar as they please. adica I think they have to do some comprehensive studies on how to write in Latin, that our language comes from Latin, we need to think and logically, if and how it sounds good and fair. ma please most affected are children now attend school, and class II to I ask the teacher to write in to, and make them second class to write to and from I. pentru rest, who have learned much how to write and vorbesca correctly, I do not have any influence, because each will use the form that has taught her. My parerea!
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2009, 04:04:30 PM » |
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liwiu_evo, that I try and say .. as many faculty, masks and PhDs would be, I can not for an entire country, and can not change the spelling and grammar as they please. adica I think they have to do some comprehensive studies on how to write in Latin, that our language comes from Latin, we need to think and logically, if and how it sounds good and CORECT. ma please most affected are children now attend school, and ask the teacher to class II and from the write, and make them second class to write to and from i. pentru rest, who have learned much as to write and vorbesca correctly, I do not have any influence, because each will use the form that has taught her. parerea my o to get to write "D0mNul3 diR3ktoR" to request that it use some of those who are the future of the country. to use a k, j (Glitter, jmeker), to use an alphanumeric language c4 aja 3 k00l. I agree with that evolve, we learn in a continuous motion, but this is too much.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2009, 04:20:51 PM » |
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is going to write "D0mNul3 diR3ktoR" to request that it use some of those who are the future of the country. to use a k, j (Glitter, jmeker), to use an alphanumeric language c4 aja 3 k00l. I agree with that evolve, we learn in a continuous motion, but this is too much. Actually De her back on writing closer to the Chinese, we use icons and smileys instead of words. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2009, 02:33:30 PM » |
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almost an entire country is unable to spell good things and I feel a quarrel on `litera.
soqarit as always on-topic and atributu, talk more, give examples, make history, deux ex machina, but says nothing .
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zit
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2009, 07:27:28 PM » |
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Prajitoare, I bet that if soqarit was only a little less reading, would be held on A . in the next second you were the bitter defender of I
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2009, 07:52:32 PM » |
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what someone else said above this is really a MIZIL besides that of dex of chimbarile have made 2 years ago: doh:
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2009, 09:13:29 PM » |
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what somebody else said above this is really a MIZIL besides that of dex of chimbarile have made 2 years ago: doh: So in conclusion will return to writing with the since i and are in place to be? I state to read everything, I forgot to bounce. I would be most happy, for the current impression when they hear someone speaking with is, is that he has polyps. I write and I am, or tomorrow's sun, but never but never one to say is that I hate to sound in the ear. The problem is as someone said above, what we do, we got used to it and some others, smaller or larger, the old course.
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2009, 09:44:30 PM » |
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"so" one thousand seems a stupid. I learned to write with "and are not a way I could dishabituate that they want. Exact! Deja generation who is now over .... 17-18 (the lower that are off-topic anyway) do not begin to write/pronounce as many changes Romana. Cu Academy wants to get one not to know grammar deloc. Daca still want to impose something, then it make detailed studies on Latin (as someone said above) and start "educating" new rules of the class, otherwise put the child in all ceata. zit, are older (you respect). Asa knows how you are seems anomalous A and are and it seems to me any (and the rest of the aberration of the "new doom"), but one that taught me that Class I are , not one ever to write in are . In conclusion, thank you for your information (even did not know the job of `93), but not one you can to change anything (and frankly, I would look dumb trying to do that).
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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2009, 09:53:39 PM » |
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Why do you look timpenie try to change a nonsense? : doh:
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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2009, 10:08:09 PM » |
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Why do you look timpenie try to change a nonsense? : doh: Pentru it's hard to oblige people (repeat) I have learned in class until class XII is written as "shall". I grew up and learned that that nonsense, I'm not really that aberanta. Trebuie understand age difference. As you are apparently "are" nonsense to me not so it seems to me "no" nonsense, and those of class a few years to find it something normal. Am said, the best way is for you teach that small, still do not know Romanian.
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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2009, 10:13:27 PM » |
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Imperial not get it ... and they somehow learned and changed, it is difficult but not impossible, on the other hand I am one thousand one ... let's say sounds archaic and lion instead of me , finally give the elbow give nothing but: -??
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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2009, 10:15:59 PM » |
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Because it's hard to oblige the people (repeat) I have learned in class until class XII is written as "shall". I grew up and learned that that nonsense, I'm not really that aberanta.
Trebuie understand age difference. As you are apparently "are" nonsense to me not so it seems to me "no" nonsense, and those of class a few years to find it something normal.
Am said, the best way is for you teach that small, still do not know Romanian. la just as those who were in sixth or seventh grade when she made changes in 1993 ( which is only a recommendation is not a mandatory thing , the academy said it preferred the new script, but that does not mean that the old spelling is wrong) and began to write "A", as can and now. you think you re more brave and have not wean? were used to the new script writing those 30 years old script. so back to what is normal, ie as "I" and eliminearea total capital "A" (which is the correct thing to do) is what to do. idea is that there must be a point Peter the same sound. formele "no" and "no" (and other similar changes made in the new DOOM) were justified in the following way: " we used them last because the world ". in other words, error, mistake has become the norm.
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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2009, 10:32:08 PM » |
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First, think how long I `took to cross the Romanian Academy of speaking with them to that with". In Second, the site was created and DOOM DOOM `2` site, in any case the Romanian Academy n `gonna do change back to writing with BC, would be too big headaches for them and to change rules pronunciation and writing of the two DOOM `s, and of DEX. I do not mind me when I see someone write that are in place are: -??
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2009, 09:21:26 AM » |
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First of all, think how long it took the Romanian Academy and `to go to the speech with the â In I to the Second, was created and DOOM DOOM` site `ul 2, in any case the Romanian Academy n `gonna do change back to writing with BC, would be too big headaches for them to change and the rules of pronunciation and writing of the two DOOM` s, and of DEX on me not bothers me when they see someone that writes are in place are :-?? Rule_boy, who do you think cares about Romanian Academy? Nobody, be sure that the Academy has no right to make laws, with the shit/are is a recommendation that some weaker angel took it seriously, as if someone had the right to punish them if Academy shall write such illegally threatening and students that it decreases notes do not write the exam if A/is in fact the Academy should be sued and made to pay compensation if and.Academy is not for this Parliament and in addition there is a law of the Romanian language, so any claims that the world may write Academy A/S are not merely going to vrăjeli a normal population of hundreds of years to pay with his head bowed irrational decision by the so-called Academia authority is the authority on the Romanian language, it is composed of a bunch of illiterate who imagine that dictates the evolution of Romanian language Romanian linguists should be supervised, not by academics who are engineers, doctors, economists or ce Nu I know has moved from no one I talk with these two letters to designate a single sound, called "I back" by foneticieni (linguists dealing with the study of spoken language) As reflected by the name of sound, he has no connection with A, so its use (A with circumflex accent) is aberrant http:/.wikipediaorg/wiki/Close_central_unrounded_vowel http://rowikipediaorg/wiki/Vocal% C4% 83_% C3% Locked% C4% 83_central% C4% 83_nerotunjit% C4% 83was started Academia the 20th century brake assembly factor towards the development of Romanian modernization They still take a Latin origin of Romanian language, even in the 21st century, when no one gives a shit about it, proof that Romanians despise Romanian (Latin origin ) and love the English language (German origin) Romanian language has Latin origins ghiuleaua her leg hanging from the Romanian Academy and this prevents a now be a modern language, modern language O practice should be easy to use in writing and speech of all world, regardless of level of education everywhere And writing helps to write easy, obvious to anyone that writing the same sound is more cumbersome than 2 points 1 point Most adep writing.Let's see when a write with accents and use 2 keys (Q and A) in place of a single (Q) So far as we bet that someone who writes only write faster than someone using Q and Â? But we need to bet on something so obvious? Iar of those who say they have learned to "be", how many really use it in speech? Maybe some 5%, so that more than not believe and that's perfectly normal, because "are" not a word of Romanian is a Latin word English and Latin languages are different, each with its own development comes from the fact that Romanian Latin (like French, Italian, Spanish or Portuguese), does not mean that you can get a word in Latin and when put in Romanian it to work as there was hundreds of years in the Romanian language Each followed its path and has created its own "personality" can not do transplants from one language to the. Cuvîntul "are" is anti-Roman, he comes to replace a Romanian word easily, ie "am", which was always used, which basically formed with the Romanian form "are" has nothing to do with "am", he latter comes from the Latin "are" (as the disorders of "be") All linguists know that long form "shall" language was put in the Transylvanian School with the transition from Cyrillic to the Latin alphabet Transylvanian School (SA) was a political movement that claimed the 18-19 centuries affirmation of national consciousness of the Romanians in Transylvania, under the Romanian nation was not officially recognized, but recognized nations were Hungarian, Saxon and Székely SA wanted to show the origin of noble Romanians, but for it to tactics used "the end justifies the means", which led to exaggeration and greşeli Pentru to political ends, ŞcThe same SA came with all sorts of extravagant proposals amending the Romanian language, so that to more like Latin latinization ideas and excessive forced Romanian were embraced by others, as John Heliade Radulescu luck was that the Titu Maiorescu time (and his Transylvanian home but lived in Oltenia, Muntenia and Moldova) has ridiculed the people of SA and showed that the ideas that movement in the Romanian language aberrations are not taken into account however deserve form "are" is a relic of the ideas promoted by SA latinization forced Initially she wrote "are" and pronounced "am", but later renounced the circumflex accent, but the pronunciation remains the same always, or "am" În Finally, the removal of "are" the language is an act of treason while the Romanian language and its use "are" is an act of exhibitionism ab.Today no matter the origin of peoples and languages, matter what do these people, what helps them to advance mankind sees very clearly that Asian peoples, with their strange languages and all have failed in the past 30 years some performance economic and technical-scientific well above those of people who boast of their noble origin, but otherwise do not close nimic Scrierea I/am is proof that one/one who has used a practical mind and take the Romanian language as she.
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